"We thought it wasn't until recently." So yeah, he has that feeling. "What we know about Vanderweele though is that he's pretty particular when it comes to who, exactly, is a part of the project. It's always been that way according to history."

...then again... "There's also no saying it wasn't both. For a long while, he was still under lock and key. He could be capitalizing on the instability of some of the souls."